Hm. I'll reserve judgement til I've seen it. I hope it ends up with Desmond saving the day rather than Jack though, in the end.
April_Rose
Yeah, that's definitely a positive of the way it's shaping up, it looks like what Desmond does is really important...
Em_J
Yeah and I really like Desmond too so that's good!
April_Rose
Yeah, Desmond is cool, I was delighted watching the episode yesterday when I saw his name come up as I was afraid he wouldn't be in it much! Seems like his episode last season "The Constant" is going to be quite important in the grand scheme of things too...
Em_J
I didn't think he was going to be in it much either so I'm glad he is!
April_Rose
Yeah overall it's been better than i thought it was going to be....maybe it's for the best I had low expectations, but I have been pleasantly surprised!
Em_J
Yeah me too! Though I think it's the lack of Jack that's made it better, I'm sure it'll start to give me more rage once it turns into the Jack show again.
April_Rose
Well, yeah, if it's all about him then it'll be annoying...the scenes with him and Ben in the second ep yesterday weren't too bad though since Ben was clearly the one in charge!
Em_J
Yeah they still annoyed me. I just want to punch him every time he's onscreen! I think those eps show though, that Jack doesn't really have much of a story or add much to anybody else's story and they could in fact kill him off...
April_Rose
Yeah, they certainly show it to us, don't know if the writers agree...
Em_J
Well they should do!!
April_Rose
Yeah, I was thinking about this the other day when I was watching Fringe (the new JJ Abrams show, it's not bad, very X-files) - it's got a strong female lead character, and I was thinking that Lost was better at the start when he was involved, when he left Lindelof and Cuse and their Jack loving just got way worse!
Em_J
Didn't JJ Abrams do that other show... can't remember what the hell it was called. Alias! Did he do that?! That had a strong female lead didn't it? I didn't watch it meself.
April_Rose
Oh yeah, that was him too! No, I didn't watch it either, think I saw one or two random episodes i it but hadn't a clue what was going on really, but yeah she was another strong female lead. Pity some of his influence didn't rub off on the other pair...
Em_J
I didn't even know he wasn't doing Lost any more!
April_Rose
I think he left after Season 3....which is aroud the time the Jack=hero crap started going into overdrive!
Em_J
Ah. Well there's the problem them!!
April_Rose
Yeah, though hopefully it won't be as bad this series...I mean, I've seen other forums, sure there are loads of Jack-lovers out there, but there are plenty more like us who hate him too!
Em_J
Yeah have you seen all those groups on Facebook!?
April_Rose
I've seen a few! Maybe they finally decided to pay attention...or the studio made them, since there must have been more like us too saying we might not even bother watching the new series!
Em_J
I hope they have... But I doubt it!
April_Rose
Well, at least I'm not feeling the way i did after the Season 4 finale...that really annoyed me!!!
Em_J
Yeah me too. I think I'm just too cynical, I reckon we'll be in for a Jack overload soon enough.
April_Rose
I was cynical, but I think the first two eps have given me a bit of hope again...I'll see how it goes I suppose. At least the three of us here are jack haters, so we can moan about it together! Hubby hates him too which is good - If I was surrounded by people who love him, think i'd go insane.
Em_J
Yeah me too! Though most of my mates don't like him or hate him, which is worse! How can you be indifferent to someone that moronic?!
April_Rose
I still think it's worse to like him!
Em_J
Yeah I guess. I'm just trying to get them over to my side and they're like meh! He's ok!
April_Rose
Yeah, he's just so annoying....I really don't get all the women who love his character, whatever about finding the actor good looking - why would you want a boyfriend who talks to you like that?
Em_J
I know!! He's not even good looking though. Eyes too close together!
April_Rose
Yeah, he certainly doesn't do it for me! he reminds me too much of a Tom cruise type...
Em_J
Ick. I don't think I fancy any of the blokes in Lost now!
April_Rose
Not even Miles?
I still like Sawyer and Sayid so I'm ok!
Em_J
Miles... Yeah, he's occasionally foxy, but not like His Domliness, who had constant foxiness.
April_Rose
If you say so....I never really saw him that way, though I did like the character.
Em_J
It's just cos Dom's so funny, that's what makes him foxy. If he wasn't funny... he's just kinda odd looking!
April_Rose
Yeah, sometimes it's some other quality which makes them attractive...i wouldn't say he's odd looking, but he's cuddly rather than sexy?
Em_J
Cuddly?! Pah.
April_Rose
I just don't get the sexy thing with him I'm afraid!
Em_J
Bad taste in music and men! (I don't mean me there, by the way!!)
April_Rose
Funny, I don't think I've got bad taste in music or men!
Em_J
Sayid's a bit of a weird one, I reckon!
April_Rose
Why? I think he's gorgeous...well, when he talks in his Sayid accent. The London one just isn't as sexy on him.
Em_J
He kinda has a pudgy face.
April_Rose
Pudgy face? pfft. No he doesn't!
Em_J
Yeah he does!!! Desmond's quite hot. When he has his shirt off.
April_Rose
Yeah Desmond's all right, not as good as Sayid or Sawyer though. He's my third favourite.
Em_J
Do we have a hottest character thread?! We are quite badly off topic!! Not that anybody cares.
April_Rose
I don't know if we do anymore...think there was a vote for hottest male/hottest female, but that was way back in the day when the site started.
Yeah don't think it matters, it's really just a handful of us using the site now!
Em_J
Exactly. Well I'm gonna say Desmond is the foxiest character in Lost then! Then Miles. Then I wanna say Frank...
April_Rose
OK....wish I had time to go learn more about that! Hubby's home now though so I'd better go. Bye!
Em_J
Bye! I don't fancy him... I just think he has a certain foxiness on occasion... *ahem*
redwinegoblin
I'm going off Sawyer a bit... which is a bummer. Frank?! I think we need we definately need to resurrect the hottest character thread...
Em_J
In my defence there aren't a lot of options!!
redwinegoblin
I think I find it weird because I've got Frank and Reuben mixed up in my head now Although he does have lovely sparkly eyes...
Em_J
Yes see! I was gonna say it was the eyes! And yeah Frank is totally Reuben in my head... which is so wrong.
redwinegoblin
It's soooo wrong! But I do sort of get it....
Em_J
See!! Not just me!!! We so need to start a new hottest character thread...
redwinegoblin
Yeah, because I think my opinions have changed quite a bit. Sawyer's irritating me now, and I hated the way he spoke to Charlotte in the first ep - like a dumb meathead
Em_J
Yeah I hated that, that's the first time I wanted something bad to happen to Sawyer!!
redwinegoblin
Yeah, I hope they don't mess his character up completely, because he used to be quite complex - now he just seems to be the Anti-Jack
Em_J
He is starting to suck. And in the promo whoever it is says to him about Kate... So he's still interested in Kate?! Why?
redwinegoblin
I haven't watche d the promo yet, cos I haven't managed to watch episode 2 yet.. but I hate that he's hung up on Kate still, it's boring.
Em_J
Yeah it is boring. And I hated the Claire thing with him and now he's sort of got a thing with Juliet?!
redwinegoblin
Yeah, the Clare thing I hated, it was just lame. But I think the Juliet thing could work... although I don't see why they need to keep setting him up with people, can't he have a storyline in his own right, outside the Kate triangle thing?!
Em_J
Yeah this is why I don't like it. Juliet and Sawyer would work better than Claire and Sawyer, but it needs to be developed, not just done for the sake of it!
redwinegoblin
Yeah, I think they've just been throwing half-arsed storylines at Sawyer for the last season. I loved it when he went all scary with Locke's dad, but then that was just sort of dusted under the carpet and he went back to just stomping around being a comedy background character, which sucks!
Em_J
At least with Hurley and Claire not around him anymore, he can't turn into a substitute Charlie, which seemed to be happening for a bit there!
redwinegoblin
Yeah that's true. I hated the whole Sawyer/Hurley show, I thought it was very lame.
Em_J
I quite like the Miles and Sawyer relationship, something should be done with that.
redwinegoblin
Yeah, that could be cool. Either that or they should just kill of Sawyer. Never thought I'd say that but his character really sucks at the moment
Em_J
I never thought you'd say that!! I know how you feel though that's what I was like with Charlie. Just kill him cos he's got so bad!
redwinegoblin
Yeah, I hate that the writers don't seem to remember the previous seasons when they write the characters, all the cool stuff with Locke's Dad , they never bothered following that up with Sawyer, a couple of weeks later he was Hurley's comedy foil! It's just weird...
Em_J
Characterisation in Lost kinda sucks. It's sacrificed in favour of storyline sometimes.
redwinegoblin
Yeah , there's obviously a lot of stuff they need to jam in before the end of season 6, but nobody will care if the characters suck!
Em_J
Tis stupid really, could write it better myself!
April_Rose
Yeah, sawyer's character has gone downhill a fair bit, but I'm hoping that now with Kate & Jack & everyone gone maybe he'll develop better. You're right thoug, there was never any follow up from the scene where he finally got to kill original Sawyer. It's like that was his arc, that was the height of it, and after that they didn't really care anymore but they didn't kill him off because he was part of the triangle?
Em_J
That's it. Once a character has finished their story they don't seem to bother with them anymore, apart from Jack, who they make up more crap for.
April_Rose
Yeah, he's one of the least complex characters really - I mean, so he has daddy-issues because his dad drinks and told him he'd never be a great doctor or something.Hmm, let's compare that to:
- Locke's dad stole his kidney and threw him out of an eight floor window leaving him paralysed
- Kate's dad beat her mum up so she killed him
- Sawyer's dad shot his mum and himself while little Sawyer was there
...and that's just three of the others, even Claire has a right to bigger daddy issues than jack in my opinion, as it's the same guy!
Em_J
Definitely!! I don't really get why Jack's depressed actually, thinking about it. Was that explained? It's possible I wasn't paying attention.
April_Rose
In the future you mean?
Em_J
Sorry, keep getting a phonecall. The future/present/whatever it is!
April_Rose
No probs. I don't know if it was explained, it probably was....I just figured it was because Kate realised he was a nasty manipulative self centred control freak and left him?
Em_J
Oh right!! I didn't know why it was. It just seemed to randomly happen. Maybe cos he didn't have people to boss around anymore.
April_Rose
Yeah, he was pretty obsessed with that, so when eh didn't even have Kate to boss around anymore it probably caused it...
Em_J
Still think it would've been a better storyline for someone more interesting!
April_Rose
Oh god yeah! Depression and addiction are serious things, you need to have a well developed character to be able to carry it off effectively....
Em_J
Definitely! I was kinda hoping Charlie was gonna go a bit mad after all that Sun stuff. That's another thing that didn't develop! Was quite a big thing at the time, then all that happened was that Sun slapped Sawyer!!
April_Rose
Oh yeah! I'd forgotten about that. Season 2 was really good as well, even better than season 1 maybe, the focus was well enough spread between all the characters then....I mean, with a cast that size you're never going to like all of them, but then the focus is spread enough that it's okay.
Em_J
I forget what happened when!
April_Rose
I think that was Season 2 anyway! I just remember the first two were good, 3 was ok, 4 was crap....fingers crossed for 5!
Em_J
I might have to start watching season one again cos I can't remember much of anything!
April_Rose
I think it was last year I watched 1 & 2 again. Was good, you do forget a lot of stuff!
Em_J
I've seen the pilot ep a lot of times, but not any of the others.
April_Rose
I wasn't that impressed with the pilot, almost didn't keep watching! Mad, considering I'd never have joined lost-related forums, never started writing the rpg...
Em_J
I thought the pilot was really good!
April_Rose
I didn't like it that much, maybe because they'd been pushing it here for weeks beforehand....
Em_J
I only watched it cos I heard Dom Mon was in it, I didn't even know what it was going to be about!
April_Rose
I thought it looked good the first hundred or so times I saw the trailer...they pushed it so much though that by the time the pilot was on I was bored with the scenes they'd had in it. Glad i kept watching though!
Em_J
Yeah good job! I'm glad Dom Mon was in it otherwise I wouldn't have started watching it! And it's a good job they took it off channel four cos I had to go online then to find eps and found Watchlost.
Though I think it's the lack of Jack that's made it better, I'm sure it'll start to give me more rage once it turns into the Jack show again.
I think we need we definately need to resurrect the hottest character thread...