April_Rose
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S03E20 - The man behind the Curtain - PreviewWatch it here!
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Jenny*
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oh my god so many flashes!! it looks amazing! especially the beach scene - juliet better get a good slapping!!
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April_Rose
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Yeah, and hopefully they turn on Jack as well!!!!!
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Jenny*
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despite me being a jate fan i would love to see them rebel against jack and maybe banish him 
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April_Rose
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Yeah he was way too quick to trust Juliet, the camp will react angrily to that as they trusted her because he told them to.
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Jenny*
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i hope he ends up hating juliet as well though - if he still likes her after this i may not like jack anymore
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Xarcabard
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Do you think that the baby that is shown in the promo will be Alex from Ben's flashbacks?
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Jenny*
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i think its pretty likely, unless maybe ben had a child of his own - that died or something
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April_Rose
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OOh, interesting! is it ben's flashbacks we'll be seeing then? I haven't read any other spoiler threads....
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Jenny*
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yes it is ben's
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April_Rose
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I'm looking forward to it even more now!!!
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Guest
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my god what is behind that door in the end of the preview
cant waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jenny*
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i have no idea . . . but im excited!!
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redwinegoblin
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Looks excellent! Can't wait to see what Ben shows Locke behind the door and I soooo hope that Jack gets a good kicking from the beach-folks!
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Xarcabard
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Me too Rwg.
I hope it'll be Kate myself she needs to redeem herself for the way she's been because of Jack lately. But if not, Sawyer or Sayid doing that instead would do nicely.
At the very least there should be an exchange of words to show that not everyone at camp looks at him with such high regard.
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redwinegoblin
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Definiately, I'd hate it if it turned out that he was being clever and knew all along that Juliette was a double agent. It's about time he was shown to be imperfect in front of all the others....and if Kate ends up punching him in the nose that'd also be good!!!
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Xarcabard
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I do think that he is working with Julliet and that doesn't bother me. But if he says its for the good of the camp and he just doing it to help everyone then I'll be in rage. The man is doing it for himself, just like he made the deal with Ben to get home for himself so I hate when he lies about it and no one seems to bring it up on him (except Sawyer).
In the last episode at least we found out that Sayid doesn't worship Jack and a couple of other survivers no longer trust him. Its time for Kate to do the same, she's got even more reason to distrust him then anyone else with how much a total jerk he's being around her.
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redwinegoblin
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Yeah it's the "I'm sorting all the problems out cos you're all too stupid to be any use" attitude that really grinds with me. Uh oh, feeling an attack of Jack rage...
*runs round flat booting DVD case with Jack's face on it up in the air repeatedly*
Ah, better. I'd love it if Kate, Sayid and Sawyer joined up to lead and forced Jack out into the jungle with Juliette, heh heh....
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Xarcabard
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If Kate, Sawyer and Sayid were joint leaders that would be so great to watch. Sawyer/Sayid scenes are always good and Kate is much more herself when around Sawyer and/or Sayid.
I'm starting to go off Julliet, mainly because she's spending the day 24/7 with Jack, I don't know how on earth she can do that without a set of ear plugs.
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redwinegoblin
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I still like Juliette - I like the cold/evil/enigmatic thing she's got going on (plus the fact that she really winds the Jaters up  ) but I hope she is actually evil rather than switching alllegiance away from Ben - because if that's the case then Jack will have totally misjudged her and people will trust him as a leader even less, woo hoo!!
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Jenny*
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as much as i am a jater - i agree with RWG
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Xarcabard
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Well after when Kate gives Jack a slap I'd love to see Julliet do the same and see him cry when he realises nobody likes him anymore. 
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Jenny*
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ok thats going too far!
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Xarcabard
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Well alternatively they could just kill him but seeing Kate put Jack into place would make me very happy. She's been playing second fiddle to him far too long.
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Jenny*
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she does need to stand on her own two feet - maybe she will slap him, then he will die??
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Xarcabard
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Lol that would be a hard slap!
I like it!
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Jenny*
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he he i didn't mean he died from the slap :p maybe sawyer shots him
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bagels
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hmm not a bad lookin preview is it guys.cant wait to see sawyer giving jack the ole wot for.tho like someone mentioned ive a slight niggling feeling that jack mite turn it round an tell them he already no's wot juliets doin or that therll b some such outcome that mite make sawyer look th fool.maybe this is jack an juliets big secret!?! anyone thought of that.that shes playin th part of a mole for th others but jack already no's this an is aware of th forthcomin 'beachbabies raid' sorta thing. oh one more thing.hasnt ben already showed locke wot was behind the big steal door (his dad) or is that jus me missin something.an now this is probably a stupid question so forgive me in advance but dus anyone reckon ben'll no locke dint kill sawyer but got james to do it.maybe sawyer wud b a beta choice than locke to lead th othas as he's been able to acomplish his goal whereas lock hasnt so maybe locke really isnt ready to c behind bens next big door. jus some thoughts i had on it anyway im sure ther not that important
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April_Rose
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I don't think they'll care he didn't do it himself, getting someone else to do it for him sounds like the just the kind of thing that would impress Ben to be honest!
As for Jack knowing about Juliet and that they have a plan worked out yeah, a few people mentioned that but if so then why isn't Jack letting peopel like Sawyer, Sayid and Kate into it? As he hasn't told them they wills till be angry even if he does say he knew but it was for the good of the camp (who the hell let him decide things like that)
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Xarcabard
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Sneak Peek
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April_Rose
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Thanks for posting that! I really look forward to the episode now!
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Xarcabard
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Sawyer and Sayid are great in that clip, both of them make no secret that they don't trust Jack.
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April_Rose
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I know, I've been annoyed there hasn't been as much Sayid in this series, (and not just because I like to drool over him ) he is a great character, and it's nice to see him making his feelings clear! Loved the moment when Sawyer played the clip, especially after Sun had just said she trusted Juliet!
Even if jack does say that he was working with Juliet, people like Sawyer and Sayid and Kate will be annoyed and rightly so that they weren't brought in on it, so he isn't going to get off lightly
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Xarcabard
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The faces of Sawyer, Sayid and Kate were pictures in that scene, I hope Jack doesn't fool them three with what he's about to say when the clip ends.
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April_Rose
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I don't think he'll fool all of them ,Kate maybe as she gets fooled by him too easily though I hope that maybe after last week she's realised that, and maybe Sawyer will be vulnerable after the whole Cooper incident though i think it'll be the opposite, it'll have him riled up, and I don't see Sayid being easily talked around, he'll take a lot of convincing.
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Xarcabard
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Good because I see them as the main three to stick up to Jack. I would give anything to see Kate give him a piece of her mind and prove she's not Jack's lapdog for once.
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April_Rose
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Oh yeah! I'd really enjoy that, especially after her behaviour in the last episode annoyed me so much, it wasn't just her that was effected by what she told Jack and Juliet, I hope she gives him a good hard punch - nevermind a slap ,I want to see her punch him!
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Xarcabard
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A punch and a quick to the groin would be perfect
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April_Rose
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I'd love that! I'd settle for the punch though as *crude joke about Jack that I probably shouldn't post*
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Xarcabard
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I'll be so annoyed if she takes his side. But I love seeing Sawyer and Sayid as allies, you can tell they dislike each other even when they are on the same page but their scenes together have always been great.
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April_Rose
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Yeah there's always been a great relationship there, from when (in S1) Sawyer accused Sayid of being a terrorist and bringing the plane down and then Sayid tortured Sawyer for information....the only complaint I've had about Sayid in the past is that he's been far too loyal to Jack so i hope he and Sawyer learn to cope with their differences and unite against Jack now. They don't have to be friends to work together, and it'll make for some great scenes!
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Xarcabard
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To be honest I'd rather Jack had been ditched at the start and that they'd been a Sawyer/Sayid/Kate love triangle because I think all of them characters have great chemistry with each other.
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April_Rose
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Yeah that would have been great, I just hate Jack so much, I wish I had been part of the focus group or whatever they call it that they showed the pilot episode to where they were going to kill Jack off, I would have agreed it was best that way! Would have fit with the show so well anyway.
Would have a been a lot more interesting that way as Kate is herself around both Sawyer and Sayid and she doesn't go all demure and deferant to either of them like she does with Jack, would have been a real choice if it had happened like that! Much as I love Lost I really hate Jack, and it annoys me when i see Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof talking about how Kate should "obviously" choose Jack as he's the good guy, he's a patronising twat and if that's how they think men should treat women I feel sorry for their wives!
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Xarcabard
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I'm so glad you said that because I have always thought the same way. Kate is being dragged back by Jack and whenever those two have scenes I begin to actually dislike Kate. Its not fair that her character should be involved with Jack just because he's the main male and she's the main female characters in the show.
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April_Rose
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Yeah, to be honest at the start when I discovered forums I was almost put off by the amount of jaters, I just don't get it myself, I mean Kate is so much of an independent woman that she killer her father for hitting her mother, she robbed banks, lived on the run for years - say even when she was married that time she rang up the marshall and knew how long it would take to trace the call, but he even knew that she woudln't be able to stop herself from running again.
That isn't the Kate that we see when she's with Jack, she's weak and keeps looking to him for advice and more importantly answers or even orders, and I don't get the impression from flashbacks that she's ever been like that before.
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Xarcabard
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I find that Jaters are usually much more fans of Jack then they are of Kate, thats why they don't often realise how much being with Jack changes her. But yeah its weird how she's all weak and in need of support thats just the opposite of what she really is.
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April_Rose
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I really don't like it, I've seen it happen to women when they go out with a guy who is patronising and controlling and manipulative, they do change, and I see that in the Jate relationship, it isn't a good thing at all and if they end up together her character will suffer a lot, being in that situation grinds you down slowly until you don't know who you are anymore and I'd hate to see Kate go like that, she already shows signs of it like in the last episode when she told jack in front of Juliet, she should have just told him to go to hell.
You're probably right about the Jaters liking Jack more than they do Kate though - I think Jack and Juliet would make a much better couple, they have a lot more in common and are both prone to keeping secrets and manipulation.
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Xarcabard
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Yeah I agree about Jack and Julliet because they seem far more comfortable with each other and on the same level. Her personality doesn't get squashed by the way Jack is, she remains the same way.
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April_Rose
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Yeah, I'll never like Jack but I'd hate him less if he wasn't having that effect on Kate all the time. If he and Juliet were a couple he might annoy me a bit less at least. All the same, I'd still rather he wasn't in it at all! I've avoided general spoilers - is it true the final episode is a Jack one? Be the perfect time to kill him off if it is...I don't think they will but I'll hope all the same!
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Xarcabard
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The final episode is Jacks and is for two hours (why god why!!!!!!!!!!!) it also promises to have a shocking revelation (hopefully not that he can't fix a kite this time)
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April_Rose
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It better be shocking, but what the hell can it be that's shocking, Jack is so predictable!! I'd so love it if he died....I agree on the why god why....any time spent of Jack flashbacks is time wasted that could be developing the storyline as far as I'm concerned.
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Xarcabard
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Hmmm a wild guess would be - He's got a twin brother who's not boring.
But my guesses are never right
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April_Rose
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That could work a twin brother who is interesting, not patronising or controlling toward women, doesn't always have to play the martyr/tragic hero even when no one asks him to, and that way they wouldn't have to axe Matthew Fox (not that I'd mind in particular but there are a lot of people out there who would) I like it!
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Xarcabard
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The problem would be that it would result in two Jacks and I just don't want to see that. One of my better ideas though
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April_Rose
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No it would only work if they killed Jack off, and then there would only be new Jack - what would be a good name for his twin??? A less annoying version of him, that would not have his self-righteousness! I think it's a great idea (that may be the wine talking though)
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Xarcabard
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I'm sure it is the wine! I don't know what excuse I have though.
Another name for a twin? how bout Jake?
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April_Rose
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I was thinking Loser....but that's just me... yeah that is the wine! I was thinking if one son is called Jack then the other should be called something really out there....like Sunset or Rain or something like that
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Xarcabard
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Yeah it sounds like the wine. Sunshine? Rain? wtf?
Since Jack thinks himself as god, how bout his brother being called Jesus.
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April_Rose
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Yeah, at least I'm pissed - Jesus? What's your excuse!
Don't worry, I'd never call a kid Sunset or Rain I'm just thinking it would be an interesting twist on the Jack thing, his brother could be a complete new-age dude, into herbal medicine and meditation and stuff, it would be hilarious, they coudl have a few scenes together before they killed Jack off! He'd be the anti jack, probably still annoying but at least in a whole new way!
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bagels
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Geeezz u2 wot ru on.lol.ur really havin a rite out rant about jacko rnt u. poor guy. i mean dont get me wrong i hate jack as much as anyone as u may hav noticed from some of my posts i think he's a complete plank most of the time, but dont u think u2 r takin it jus a little bit 2 much to heart. u mite get accusesd of bein 'jackists' or something if ur not careful. i dont wana offend anyone or nothing but if u dont mind me jus intervening for a bit i jus wna put something to the both of u.dont u think that jack cannot b soley to blame for the way kate behaves? i mean he dusnt ask her to follow him around like a child doin anything she can to get back in2 his good books even goin so far as to lick a spoon b4 giving it to him (what th hell whas that about by the way? obciously she didnt no th spoon was intended for juliet.) and havinh 'jealously sex with sawyer. i think kate is stil punishin herself for an tryin to deal with th fact she 'broke jacks heart' as juliet said but maybe the thing thas most upsetin her an why shes dealin with it th way she is is that jack isnt really 2 bothered about her anymore an has already sorta got over her chosin sawyer an seems to hav found a replacemnt for her in the form of julit. an i think thas what kate may b havin difficulty dealing with that maybe she doesnt hav as big an affect on jack as she thought/ once did. so generally i think its more kate herself that is the cause of her irrational behavoiur.she needs to resolve her issues with herself an myb accept that she is not th apple of jacks eye anymore. an i think in this sense jack (who usually as appears with both of u is the epicentre of wher i focus many of my frustrations of lost or more particulary the kate an sawyer connumdrm) is in fact for once in the right an his doin kate a favour as he is trynin to push her away from him by hurtin/ treatin her badly because he dosnt wot to interfer in the realtionship she now appears to have with sawyer, which is exactly th rite attitude to demonstrate so for once i am actually dare i say it on jacks side in terms of this hole kate situation.sheeesh. sorry for that.now its out of my system u may continue with ur jack hate.
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bagels
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apologies for the atrociuos spellin and grammar mistakes in my previous post. hopes its stil on some levels comprehensible for to at least get the jist of my argument.
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Xarcabard
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Don't get me wrong my fury with how Kate behaves around Jack is towards the producers vented through Jack. The fact that she changes SOO much when he's around but remain the same person when with anyone else is very badly produced and terribly off putting for a Kate fan such as myself.
I don't care about Kate's reasons for behaving so out of character, she isin't being herself. She becomes weak, vulnerable, quiet and pathetically unable to express any sort of opinion of her own. She is at fault for that but because of the ego Jack has in thinking he's always right and how he generally behaves, Kate is prevented from ever being her normal self, her character does not get a look in around Jack and yet she follows him around pathetically and it keeps making sad viewing.
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April_Rose
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I don't think Jack is entirely to blame for the way Kate is around him either, but it's the fact that she's like that around him that makes me hate him even more, and I never did like him to begin with, if he'd stuck to being the doctor I wouldn't have minded but he did take on the role of leader and make people trust him and care about them, and therefore to keep whatever this secret he and Juliet have now is a betrayal of that trust and it looks like it's all going to blow up in his face. It's not his decision to make, but he makes it nevertheless.
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bagels
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ok, my apologies to u guys. i think i misundersttod ur arguments. i interpreted it as u were both puttin th crux of the blame on jack for the pathetic, irrational and higly aggitating way kate has been behaving of late in particluarly around said person himself, wen i see it as being as much down to personal issues she has not yet comes to terms within herslef, as jack bein th usual patronisin,undermining, ignorant (an many otha big words i could use that i probly dont understand the meanin of) pratt he is towards her.sorry for interupting ur discussion
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April_Rose
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No worries bagels, we're delighted to have members contributing! 
You made some good points (even if it did take me a little while to read your post! ) and we can be particularly intimidating when we're jack-bashing so well done for getting involved!
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bagels
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| April_Rose wrote: | No worries bagels, we're delighted to have members contributing!
You made some good points (even if it did take me a little while to read your post! ) and we can be particularly intimidating when we're jack-bashing so well done for getting involved! |
yeah sorry bout that.ended up going in2 quite a bit of an ole rant myself wen i got started.didnt really intend for it to come out that long, didnt evn no i felt that strong about it,it was jus an opinion thas been brewing in my mind otha the past few episodes about th jack an kate interactions, so i jus thought id put it out ther somewher an it seemed to fit in nicley here .usually i cant stand jack th same as u guys appear not to an im all for havin a go at him but at th moment im more pssed of with kate than i am with him
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April_Rose
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Yeah, I hope that in this upcoming episode she stands up to him and we see the Kate we all know and love again!
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Jenny*
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hopefully - i think sawyer will take on the role of 'leader' this week
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