Admin1
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Jate Or SkateCant believe this forum's gone a week without this poll! 
Vote Now!
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Guest
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Jate's a soppy and Skate is passionate.
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Guest
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Im not strongly over to one side over the other, but im a skater =]
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Guest
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i say jate because they really like each other and they look like a great couple 
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April_Rose
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Skater all the way, they're just a much better couple. They understand each other in a way Jack doesn.t and it annoys me when he is so patronising toward Kate - she has lived far more than he has and how dare he talk down to her? That's not a good way to kick off a relationship. he doesn't respect her, and therefore it woudl never work. Sawyer doesn't respect anyone, but he's closer to it with freckles than with anyone else, and she can be herself with him whereas with jack she is always hiding a part of herself.
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Guest
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I'm still waiting for Jawyer tho. 
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April_Rose
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Edit it in and see if you get anyvotes for it!
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Guest
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Haha yep I'll get Triple C to do it later. 
His name is like when someone gets married and you call them their other name..nevermind.
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April_Rose
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yeah, we know who you mean and so does he, the new members will figure it out eventually and then it'll be like Ana mixing up Scott and Steve even though she wasn't there when Ethan killed whoever it was he killed...we'll all be calling him triple c and there will be no member called triple c but everyone will know what we mean lol
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Guest
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Yep and if they don't like it we'll attack them with a spork o.0 lol
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Admin1
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Sorry Smiley, no1 shares your vision - there arent any Jawers 
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Guest
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Yes there is now added in and we'll see *threatens with spork*
Peopel on youtube think so. And it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO gonna happen.
And Kate will be mighty peeved it'll be funny.
All the fighting is out of frustration like on brokeback mountain lol.
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Guest
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Kate would be like... wtf?!?!
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Guest
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Haha it'd be so cool.
Plus it'd be hot.
Stupid Kate can't make up her mind so she loses both.
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Guest
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It would put male lost viewers off a bit. Unless.... Kate decided to turn lesbian and went and got it on with Claire :]
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Guest
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Haha that was on Livejournal on a random community except it was Kate and Sun o.0
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angelfairy
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i was a jater but after seeing the second ep of season 3 i think i'm leaning more toward the skater angle
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Guest
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Turning over to the darkside lol, we have cookies kinda thing
Skate is better just because they suit eachother better I think.
And I wanna see our doctor cry lol.
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angelfairy
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| Smiley wrote: |
And I wanna see our doctor cry lol. |
evil... poor jack...but bloody funny!
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Guest
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Kate and Sawyer make the better couple. They're both badass lol
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Guest
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Hehe ooo I'm so mean. I love Foxy, I really do but I hate Jack.
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Guest
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His character has been going down from the start, he's not actiony enough
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Guest
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And he's too good and predictable like I said SKATE!! 
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Guest
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But his flashbacks are making him seem abit more crazy than we first thought, and who knows what the others are gunna want him to do.
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Guest
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Hehe indeed. I think they'll drug him o.0
Fun fun lol.
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Guest
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Haha, just a thought... we dont know how his dad died yet do we? maybe jack killed him?
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Guest
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Haha could be, anything can happen on lost.
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Guest
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I definately think that Jack was somehow responsible for his dads death
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April_Rose
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Interesting theory, but how woud he have gotten back to LA to be with his mother to receive the news...wasn't that what happened? I could be worng it's a while since I saw series one.
I think the problem with Jack is that he is too ationy - only a really bad doctor would go off and leave people without soemone who can heal them so that he can go off on a self-satisfying gun-toting mission
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Guest
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Sawyer is more interesting. Jack does need someone though. We'll see what happens.
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Guest
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If Jack went more badass i think i'd like him more
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angelfairy
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| lost_maniac wrote: | | If Jack went more badass i think i'd like him more |
yeah i agree ... it would be good if he had a dark past or something as well instead of making him out to be a saviour all of the time he seriously needs to go badass
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April_Rose
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So, what do we think on this issue now that Kate has made her choice? Do we think she'll stay with Sawyer, or will she change her midn again, either because they'll fall out at some stage , or as we saw in her flashback ,she doesn't like things to stay the same?
personally what I took from that was that she really is far more suited to Sawyer than to Jack as in the real world with jack her life woudl be similar to that with the cop husband, only more pretentious as she'd have to put up with all the golf tournaments and charity lunches etc and I coudln't see her enjoying that, whereas with Sawyer they could be a great team, conning people together, living life on the edge - even if they did go straight I think they'd still have a lot of fun together.
I'm sure the road ahead will eb anythign but smooth but I think she made the right choice and i don't see her getting together with Jack now, but who knows?
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Xarcabard
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Karca - I wish
I'm neither but I like Kate and Sawyer better as characters and I hate Jack & Kate as a pairing.
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Cloverfield
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I voted Jate, much to my dismay i was only the second person...
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TNO
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Jawyer might make it at least a little more interesting. I predict Jate however
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sawyergirl
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Skate 4 ever, Kate and Sawyer lookes better together
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Jenny*
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i still want jate , despite the choice kate has made . . .
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redwinegoblin
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I voted Skate - not cos I'm a shipper really but Jack just gets on my nerves, big time!
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Jenny*
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its funny when he gets mad though!
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Rave2Jate!
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JATE!
They just get eachother on another level, what they have is love and Skate is just lust.
That lust has been fulfilled too, so we are going to see Skate sink to the ocean floor, Kate's already ditched Sawyer for Jack.
Remember opposites attract, and thats exactly what Jate is.
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Admin1
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Yay Nice post^
Just as we were beginning to get overun by skaters!
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April_Rose
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No way, Jack is just so patronising he doesn't deserve Kate, no real man would feel the need to boss a woman around all the time to make himself feel macho!
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Jenny*
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maybe he just loves her and wants to protect her!
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Admin1
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Or maybe thats his way of showing he appreciates her.
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Jenny*
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yeah by wanting to keep her alive!
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April_Rose
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I disagree, I just think he doesn't ultimately respect her, but it is good to have a debate going!
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Rave2Jate!
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| April_Rose wrote: | | No way, Jack is just so patronising he doesn't deserve Kate, no real man would feel the need to boss a woman around all the time to make himself feel macho! |
Since when did he boss Kate around?
He told her to not come with them on the 'get Micheal back' trip, becuase he didnt want her to get into danger.
If I remember correctly, in these last few eppy's Sawyer has been telling Kate exactly what to do the way he wants it, and she stood up for herself told him that she didnt like it, but continued to do so.
Jack just wants to protect her, its what people do for the ones they love.
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redwinegoblin
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Or maybe he's just a patronising git with an overblown God complex who thinks he has the right to tell everyone else what to do or feel....grrrraAAAArrrrggGGGHHH!!!! As a character he just winds me up so much!!
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Jenny*
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good point! kate has been getting sick of sawyer telling her what to do!
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redwinegoblin
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I dont think Skate is perfect either - but there's something patronising and overbearing about Jack. I don't get them as a couple at all...
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Rave2Jate!
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| redwinegoblin wrote: | | Or maybe he's just a patronising git with an overblown God complex who thinks he has the right to tell everyone else what to do or feel....grrrraAAAArrrrggGGGHHH!!!! As a character he just winds me up so much!! |
He was put into a leader position without wanting too.
I know many people dont like Jack, but when he's with Kate they just get eachother.
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redwinegoblin
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Jack could have revoked the leader position to Locke or Sayid many a time and didn't - as his omnipresent flashbacks show, he likes being in control and feels the need to fix situations...
As a character I really don't like Jack (is it obvious?!) which makes me dislike Jate a lot - in fact I often think that they have a Parent/Child relationship instead of a relationship of equals....
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April_Rose
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I really don't think they do get each other, Kate's been able to be herself far more around Sawyer, at least when she yells at him they can have a proper argument/discussion, whereas when she's with Jack I think it's too much like it was when she married the Policeman, there woudl always be a bit of herself she'd need to keep hidden. I'm not saying Sawyer is ideal either, but i think they make a better couple than Jate. Wanting to protect someone is fine, but jack doesn't behave like he has respect for Kate, and respecting someone is more important than wanting to protect them.
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Rave2Jate!
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| redwinegoblin wrote: | Jack could have revoked the leader position to Locke or Sayid many a time and didn't - as his omnipresent flashbacks show, he likes being in control and feels the need to fix situations...
As a character I really don't like Jack (is it obvious?!) which makes me dislike Jate a lot - in fact I often think that they have a Parent/Child relationship instead of a relationship of equals.... |
Well Locke and Sayid are kinda leaders now, but Jack is a doctor. He needs to be slightly controling to actualy tell poelpe what to do for their health.
Plus I dont usually see parents and their children make out in the middle of the jungle, flirt naturally and show so much attraction just through their eyes, they dont need to have sex to know the other cares about them, unlike a certain couple on this show.
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April_Rose
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It's not in that way she means they're like parent and child, it's just that Jack always thinks he knows best, a lot of real relationships are like that (women looking for substitute dads, men looking for a women who will do everything for them like their mummy did) but just because it is commonplace doesn't mean that it's healthy.
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redwinegoblin
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Exactly AR - i didn't mean literally, ew!!
In the way that Kate looks for his approval, he's often patronising and overprotective of her and acts like an authority figure around her. Which I think is why I find the relationship strange, Kate's an independant figure, it frustrates me that she changes into someone else, less independant when she's with Jack.
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April_Rose
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i think it's because she has "daddy issues" - she had a strong role model for a father, then discovered the nasty drunken layabout was her dad, so she craves a strong male presence, and by telling her what to do, acting overprotective and patronising and refusing to acknowledge her as a grown, independent and capable woman Jack fits the bill perfectly.
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redwinegoblin
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Yep, I think you're right there! I'm not really a shipper in any particular direction but there's something a bit wrong about Jate in my opinion.
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Rave2Jate!
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Okay I understand some of your points but...
This whole show is about redemption, becoming the thing you want to be and leaving the past behind you, so how is Kate going to get her redemption from Sawyer? A con-man who has had many a run in with the law, and uses women not fully appreciating them.
Though I feel Kate has given Sawyer his redemtion he cannot giver her ners, I fell that only Jack can do this.
He has already taught her to deal with fear, he has made her fell safe and she is comfortable around him. If you admire someone ofcourse you going to listen to what they say, but he isnt patronizing her, when he told her to leave at the glass scene, I think its because he realised that the others were using his only weakness, Kate.
He wanted her safety, not to control her, I would take the chance to leave if I could, just because another person told me to doesnt mean that I am following orders, he was giving her a chance and she took it.
He sacrificed his freedom for hers, I think its beautiful.
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Jenny*
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yep yep and i think jack was being very smart in doing what he did, ensuring that Kate and Sawyer escaped
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Em_J
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This thread hurts my head. I voted Jawyer. 
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Jenny*
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he he thats a good way out!
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April_Rose
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In that instance I think he wasn't as bad and he was sacrificing himself for her, fair enough, that wasn't ordering or patronising as such, but a lot of the time in their dealings with each other he doesn't give her a fair chance. What about when Ben/fake henry was in the hatch and he didn't tell her about it? If he really trusted her he should have told her about that, but he kept the secret, kept her out of the loop. Also, if he'd actually gotten to know her better and listened to her he would know that she is more than capable of going on treks and missions, but apart from at the start when he wanted to know what she did, after first saying that she didn't have to tell him, then holding her case from her, he hasn't really bothered to learn about her as a person, he wants to look after her but has no idea who she really is. Sawyer at least has put some effort in, and I think that although he doesn't always treat her right either, she can handle him, as RWG says she turns into a different person around Jack, I think it's too much like the person she was when she married the cop, it would never last as it wouldn't be her whole self she was bringing into the relationship.
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redwinegoblin
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Its clearly something we both strongly about Rave2Jate, so I'm not going to keep arguing the point as I don't think we'll get anywhere! I don't like Jate ,that's not going to change. The dynamic between Jack and Kate is just strange and unhealthy in my opinion and I don't think anything will change that, I think its just the way it's written.
Although I'm not compeltely convinced by Skate either, I prefer Sawyer as a character and the way he interacts with Kate is completely different to how she acts with Jack. I'll be interested to see how it all plays out - and I don't think Skate or Jate is dead and buried , it's too much of a ratings grab for that.
Oh, thank for joining the debate too, it's nice to have someone new to the site expressing their opnions!!
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Rave2Jate!
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Jack knew she was a criminal and kept it a secret, respected her.
But as soon as Sawyer found out he used it to his advantage and revelaed to nearly every person she had come to know on that island, and he didnt even say sorry.
Jack has told her he doesnt want to know, for now thats what is happening, but Sawyer doesnt know either.
There will come a point when she tells Jack, she will have to to get her redemption.
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redwinegoblin
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OK, dragging me back into the debate!! .... So, when does Jack get redeemed? By fixing Kate? Because it seems that trying to fix everything caused all his problems in the first place....
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Jenny*
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i just want jack to be normal again!!!
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Rave2Jate!
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If Kate tells him what she did, it doesnt mean he 'fixes' her.
He is listening, and I think slowly he is beginning to trust Kate again. And considering all the bad women problems he's had in the past, by being with Kate, he will be able to feel true love, not lust with a prostitute or get married to someone who you feel you owe it too.
He has been slowly falling in love with Kate, and when he realises it he will have his redemption.
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April_Rose
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I second what RWG said Rave2Jate, good to have you in on the debate, makes the site all the better for the different views!
I don't think it'll be resolved completely until the very end, and I don't think all three of them will survive, but it's great to have a storylien that people feel so strongly about!
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Jenny*
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jack needs to be more passionate and spontaneous - i would love for him to just tell kate he loves her!
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redwinegoblin
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I'm not convinced at all. About the redemption ideas or about the ultimate perfection of Jate - I think it'd be a lazy ending if the producers made it all about becoming a better person and had Jack and Kate walking off hand in hand at the end - or indeed Sawyer and Kate.
I think Lost is more edgy than that and it'd be a shame if they ruined all the mysteries and twists by making an "apple pie" ending that didn't fit the evolution of the story. I think the day that Lost becomes all about love and togetherness and redemption then it'll lose it's point.
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April_Rose
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Don't forget that Kate is still a wanted citizen in the real world, so if there is a rescue there will be that to contend with, I don't think there will be a happy ending either way, but after watching the show about Lost (the lost survivor guide I think) I got the distinct impression that David Lindeloff is a Jater, he said that he's the one she should be with, which worries me a bit, and had me shouting at the TV at the time.
I know there's a theme of redemption running through the show but it's not that simple either, plenty of characters have died without being redeemed, I think it's one of the themes but not the most important one.
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redwinegoblin
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Yep - i'm backing away from the debate now too as I don't think we can agree on this one!!! I have enough debating to do in the office
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April_Rose
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Always good to chat about these things though, shows how good a show Lost is that we get so involved!
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redwinegoblin
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Yep, always good to flex the debating muscles!!
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bagels
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hello all.im new here as u may hav gessed an not really sure how to do this but im gona giv it a go anyway. im not really a hardcore shipper or anything but i do prefer sawyer and kate together than kate and jack. althou ther relationship is a bit volatile an kinda love/ hate a lot of the time (which is the best kind way to be), i just find them to have so much more depth and chemistry than vice versa (kate and jack). i think the recent blip in their relationship after saweyer not apologising is just typical of their characters personalities, sawyers insercurities about kate reciprocating his feelings and kates reluctance to acknowledge her feelings for him. but hopefully when kate returns they'll be able to get back on track and jack can just leave em be.
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April_Rose
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Thanks for joining the debate bagels and welcome to the site!
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xanderwayne
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its gotta be jate!!! there is more emotion n feeling there, with skate its jus lust! but i agree jack needs 2 be spontaneous n let kate know how he feels!
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bagels
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thanks for the welcome april rose. i hope what im saying is ok. wouldnt want to upset anyone on my first time here.
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April_Rose
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you're entitled to your opinion, we may disagree but that's what it's all about
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bagels
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thanks april.(hope its ok to call u that) .your really helping me to fit in here. i appreciate your comments
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masa
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Absolutely Skate!! Although Jawyer could be veeery interesting, too...
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Red Devil 26
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Definitely Jate, they belong together!
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legallyblonde01
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skate!
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aryanrhos
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Give me Jawyer any day. The whole Skate/Jate thing makes me dizzy.
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LostObsessive
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Gotta be Jate for me...
Jawyer would be funny... but would never work. Lol.
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aryanrhos
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You never know. Jawyer would be really funny though.
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Jenny*
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i can see it now . . . .
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